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{{lead|Sorji|數字|Hokkien numerals|numbers in Taiwanese}} come in [[Literary and colloquial readings of Chinese characters|two different sets]]:
{{lead|Sorji|數字|Hokkien numerals|numbers in Taiwanese}} come in [[Talk:Bungieen kab peqoe|two different sets]]:


* colloquial  (''{{x|peh}}''): used the most
* colloquial  (''{{x|peh}}''): used the most
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In normal speech, a mix of both types is used. Let's start with colloquial.
In normal speech, a mix of both types is used. Let's start with colloquial.


[[File: sorji (peh).mp3|thumb|none|colloquial: {{x|cit}}, {{x|nng}}, {{x|svaf}}, {{x|six}}, {{x|go}}, {{x|lak}}, {{x|chid}}, {{x|peq}}, {{x|kao}}, {{x|zap}}]]
== Colloquial numbers ==
[[File: sorji (peh).mp3|thumb|none|({{x|bøo}}), {{x|cit}}, {{x|nng}}, {{x|svaf}}, {{x|six}}, {{x|go}}, {{x|lak}}, {{x|chid}}, {{x|pøeq}}, {{x|kao}}, {{x|zap}}]]


== To count "how many" ==
=== Cardinal numbers ===
To count "how many", "{{w|cardinal numbers}}" are used. Use the colloquial system (''cit'', ''nng'', ''svaf'') together with a [[lioxngsuu|classifier]] (the classifier will [[tone sandhi|change tone]] when spoken). For example:
To count "how many", "{{w|cardinal numbers}}" are used. Use the colloquial system (''cit'', ''nng'', ''svaf'') together with a [[measure word|classifier]] (the classifier will [[tone sandhi|change tone]] when spoken). For example, from ''[[Cidbøea Hii]]'':


; {{tts|cidtaai [[tiexnsi]]}}, {{tts|nngxtaai [[chiaf]]}}, {{tts|svataai [[lefngkhix]]}}, ...
; cidbøea hii, nngxciaq køef, svazaang chiu'ar, ...
: one television, two cars, three air conditioners ...
: a tail of fish, a pair of chickens, three trees, ...


From 11, ''id'' and ''ji'' begin to be used instead of ''cit'' & ''nng''. For example:
'''{{x|Zap}}''' is '''10'''. From '''11''', use '''{{x|id}}''' and '''{{x|ji}}''', instead of '''cit''' & '''nng''', in the ones place. For example:
; zab'id-bøea (11-bøea), zabji-ciaq (12-ciaq), zabsvaf-zaang (13-zaang), ...
'''{{x|Jixzap}}''' is '''20'''.
; jixzab'id-bøea (21-bøea), jixzabji-ciaq (22-ciaq), ...


; {{tts|ji-zap-taai chiaf}}, {{tts|ji-zap-id-taai chiaf}}, {{tts|ji-zap-ji-taai chiaf}}, ...
'''{{x|Paq}}''' is '''100'''. Count how many hundred  with '''cit''', '''nng''', '''svaf'''. {{gt|Khoxng|空|[[0|zero]]}} is for the blank tens place. We omit the classifier below but don't forget to include it.
: 20, 21, 22, ...


From 100, count the hundreds place with ''cit'', ''nng'', ''svaf''... and from 101, the blank tens place is {{gt|khoxng|空|[[0|zero]]}}:
; 100 {{x|cidpaq}}, 101 cidpaq-khoxng-id, 102 cidpaq-khoxng-ji, ...
 
; 110 cidpaq-zap, 111 cidpaq-zab'id, 112 cidpaq-zabji, ...
; {{tx|cidpaq}}-taai, {{tx|cidpaq-khoxng-id}}-taai, {{tx|cidpaq-khoxng-ji}}, ...
: 100, 101, 102, ...


There are shortcuts when the ones place is blank:
There are shortcuts when the ones place is blank:


; {{tx|pah'id}}, {{tx|cidpaq-zab'id}}, ..., {{tx|pahji}}, {{tx|cidpaq-jixzap'id}}
; 110 {{x|pah'id}}, 111 cidpaq-zab'id, 112 cidpaq-zabji, ...
: '''110''', 111, ..., '''120''', 121
; 120 {{x|pahji}}, 121 cidpaq-jixzap-id, 122 cidpaq-jixzap-ji, ...


As we said, the next hundreds place is counted with ''{{x|nng}}''.
As we said, the next hundreds place is counted with '''{{x|nng}}'''.


; {{tx|nngxpaq}}, {{tx|nngxpaq-id}}, {{tx|nngxpaq-ji}}
; 200 {{x|nngxpaq}}, 201 nngxpaq-khoxng-id, 202 nngxpaq-khoxng-ji, ...
: 200, 210, 220
; 210 nngxpaq-zap (nngxpaq-id?), 211 nngxpaq-zab'id, ...
; 220 nngxpaq-jixzap (nngxpaq-ji?)


Above 200, there's a shortcut using ''{{x|ar}}'' as a "weak form" of "hundred" (''{{x|paq}}'' -> ''{{x|aq}}'' -> ''ar''):
Above '''200''', there's a shortcut using '''[[ar]]''' as a "weak form" of "hundred" (''{{x|paq}}'' -> ''{{x|aq}}'' -> ''ar''):
; jixar-id, jixar-ji, ...
: 210, 220, ...
; goxar-id, goxar-ji, ...
: 510, 520, ...


Thousands:
; 210 ji-ar-id, 211 nngxpaq-zab'id, ...
; {{tx|cidzhefng}}, {{tx|zheng'id}} / {{tx|cidzheng'id}}, {{tx|nngxchiefn}}
; 220 ji-ar-ji, 221 nngxpaq-jixzap-id, ...
: 1,000, 1,100, 2,000
; 510 goxafid, 520 goxafji, ... (here [[5|go]] has changed tone before "ar", violating a [[tone sandhi]] exception)


Ten thousand:
'''{{x|Zhefng}}''' is '''1000''':
; {{tx|cidban}}, {{tx|cidban-id}}, ..., {{tx|nngxban}}, ...
; 1000 {{x|cidzhefng}}, 1001 cidzhefng-khoxng-id, ...  
: 10,000, 11,000, ..., 20,000


== Table of literary and colloquial numbers ==
; 1100 {{x|zheng'id}} / cidzheng'id, 1101 cidzhefng-cidpaq-khoxng-id
{{HokkienLiteraryColloquial-Num}}
; 1200 zhefng-ji, 1201 cidzhefng-nngxpaq-khoxng-id, ...
; 2000 {{x|nngxchiefn}}


[[File:sorji (buun).mp3|thumb|none|literary: {{x|id}}, {{x|ji}}, {{x|safm}}, {{x|sux}}, {{x|gvor}}, {{x|liok}}, {{x|chid}}, {{x|pad}}, {{x|kiuo}}, {{x|sip}}]]
'''{{x|Ban}}''' is '''10000''':
; 1,0000 {{x|cidban}}, 1,1000 cidbaxn'id, ..., 2,0000 nngxban, ...
: 10,000, 11,000, ..., 20,000
; 2,2000 jixban-ji, ..., 3,0300 svaban-svapaq, ...


== Other cases ==
'''{{x|Pahban}}''' (100,0000) is '''1,000,000'''.


=== Ordinal numbers ===
=== Ordinal numbers ===
For [[ordinal numbers]], when the numerals are preceded by the prefix ''{{x|te}}'':
For [[ordinal numbers]], when the numerals are preceded by the prefix {{gs|te|第}} (also seen as {{x|tøe}}):
; {{x|texid}}, {{x|texji}}, {{x|texsvaf}}, {{x|texsix}}, {{x|texgo}}, ...
; {{x|te-1}} ({{x|tex'id}}), {{x|te-2}} ({{x|texji}}), {{x|te-3}} ({{x|texsvaf}}), {{x|te-4}}, {{x|te-5}}, ...
: first, second, third, ...
: first, second, third, ...
== Literary numbers ==
[[File:sorji (buun).mp3|thumb|none|literary: {{x|id}}, {{x|ji}}, {{x|safm}}, {{x|sux}}, {{x|gvor}}, {{x|liok}}, {{x|chid}}, {{x|pad}}, {{x|kiuo}}, {{x|sip}}]]
{{HokkienLiteraryColloquial-Num}}


=== Telephone digits ===
=== Telephone digits ===
[[File:3945068.mp3|thumb|none|telephone number: 3945068]]
[[File:3945068.mp3|thumb|none|telephone number: 3945068]]
Telephone digits are read using the literary system. The digits are grouped according to certain rules and [[tone sandhi]] is applied. For example, 3945068 is read: 394, 50, 68 (''samkiwsux, gvofkhoxng, liogpad'', ''safm-kiuo-sux, gvor-[[0|khoxng]], liok-pad''; see ''[[Khax Tiexn'oe]]'').
Telephone digits are read using the literary system, with [[0]] read as ''khoxng''. The digits are grouped according to certain rules and [[tone sandhi]] is applied. For example, 3945068 is read: 394, 50, 68 (''samkiwsux, gvofkhoxng, liogpad''; ''safm-kiuo-sux, gvor-khoxng, liok-pad''; see ''[[Khax Tiexn'oe]]'').


=== Date ===
=== Date ===
The year is also read using the literary system. For example: 1998 is read: 19, 98-nii (''itkiuo, kiwpatnii''; see ''[[Jidkix Cidphvy]]'').
The year is also read using the literary system. For example: 1998 is read: 19, 98-nii (''itkiuo, kiwpatnii''; see ''[[Jidkix Cidphvy]]'').
== References ==
* [[Oong Iogteg]] (1972-3). 台湾語入門. Tōkyō
** ''[http://www.edutech.org.tw/Text-Book/T-Jibbuun.htm Taioaan-oe Jibmngg (MLT-parn)]'' Liim Keahioong hoan'ek (2000).


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