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{{lead|Sorji|數字|Hokkien numerals|numbers in Taiwanese}} come in [[Talk:Bungieen kab peqoe|two different sets]]:


{{HokkienLiteraryColloquial-Num}}
* colloquial  (''{{x|peh}}''): used the most
* literary (''{{x|buun}}''): mostly for [[tiexn'oe|telephone]] numbers and dates
In normal speech, a mix of both types is used. Let's start with colloquial.


== Numbers in Taiwanese ==
== Colloquial numbers ==
There are two sets of numbers in Taiwanese: colloquial style (''peh'') and the literary style (''buun''). The colloquial readings come from Ancient Han Chinese/Old Chinese ([[Kor Harnguo]]) (ca. 0 BCE/CE), whereas the literary readings come from Han Chinese during the Southern [[Sorngtiaau|Song Dynasty]] (1127-1279) ([[Kixntai Harnguo]]). Nowadays, the ''peh'' style is used most, whereas the ''buun'' style is mostly used to recite telephone numbers ([[tiexn'oe]]). See [[Buun-peh-i-thak]] for more info.
[[File: sorji (peh).mp3|thumb|none|({{x|bøo}}), {{x|cit}}, {{x|nng}}, {{x|svaf}}, {{x|six}}, {{x|go}}, {{x|lak}}, {{x|chid}}, {{x|pøeq}}, {{x|kao}}, {{x|zap}}]]


=== Cardinal numbers ===
=== Cardinal numbers ===
[[File: sorji (peh).mp3|thumb|none|cit, nng, svaf, six, go, lak, chid, peq, kao, zap]]
To count "how many", "{{w|cardinal numbers}}" are used. Use the colloquial system (''cit'', ''nng'', ''svaf'') together with a [[measure word|classifier]] (the classifier will [[tone sandhi|change tone]] when spoken). For example, from ''[[Cidbøea Hii]]'':
 
; cidbøea hii, nngxciaq køef, svazaang chiu'ar, ...
: a tail of fish, a pair of chickens, three trees, ...
 
'''{{x|Zap}}''' is '''10'''. From '''11''', use '''{{x|id}}''' and '''{{x|ji}}''', instead of '''cit''' & '''nng''', in the ones place. For example:
; zab'id-bøea (11-bøea), zabji-ciaq (12-ciaq), zabsvaf-zaang (13-zaang), ...
'''{{x|Jixzap}}''' is '''20'''.
; jixzab'id-bøea (21-bøea), jixzabji-ciaq (22-ciaq), ...
 
'''{{x|Paq}}''' is '''100'''. Count how many hundred  with '''cit''', '''nng''', '''svaf'''. {{gt|Khoxng|空|[[0|zero]]}} is for the blank tens place. We omit the classifier below but don't forget to include it.
 
; 100 {{x|cidpaq}}, 101 cidpaq-khoxng-id, 102 cidpaq-khoxng-ji, ...
; 110 cidpaq-zap, 111 cidpaq-zab'id, 112 cidpaq-zabji, ...
 
There are shortcuts when the ones place is blank:
 
; 110 {{x|pah'id}}, 111 cidpaq-zab'id, 112 cidpaq-zabji, ...
; 120 {{x|pahji}}, 121 cidpaq-jixzap-id, 122 cidpaq-jixzap-ji, ...
 
As we said, the next hundreds place is counted with '''{{x|nng}}'''.
 
; 200 {{x|nngxpaq}}, 201 nngxpaq-khoxng-id, 202 nngxpaq-khoxng-ji, ...
; 210 nngxpaq-zap (nngxpaq-id?), 211 nngxpaq-zab'id, ...
; 220 nngxpaq-jixzap (nngxpaq-ji?)
 
Above '''200''', there's a shortcut using '''[[ar]]''' as a "weak form" of "hundred" (''{{x|paq}}'' -> ''{{x|aq}}'' -> ''ar''):
 
; 210 ji-ar-id, 211 nngxpaq-zab'id, ...
; 220 ji-ar-ji, 221 nngxpaq-jixzap-id, ...
; 510 goxafid, 520 goxafji, ... (here [[5|go]] has changed tone before "ar", violating a [[tone sandhi]] exception)
 
'''{{x|Zhefng}}''' is '''1000''':
; 1000 {{x|cidzhefng}}, 1001 cidzhefng-khoxng-id, ...
 
; 1100 {{x|zheng'id}} / cidzheng'id, 1101 cidzhefng-cidpaq-khoxng-id
; 1200 zhefng-ji, 1201 cidzhefng-nngxpaq-khoxng-id, ...
; 2000 {{x|nngxchiefn}}
 
'''{{x|Ban}}''' is '''10000''':
; 1,0000 {{x|cidban}}, 1,1000 cidbaxn'id, ..., 2,0000 nngxban, ...
: 10,000, 11,000, ..., 20,000
; 2,2000 jixban-ji, ..., 3,0300 svaban-svapaq, ...
 
'''{{x|Pahban}}''' (100,0000) is '''1,000,000'''.


The colloquial system is usually used for counting objects and will usually be followed by a [[lioxngsuu|classifier]] and thus obey [[tone sandhi]]. For example, '''{{tts|cidtaai [[tiexnsi]]}}''' (one television), or '''[[Cidboea Hii]]''' (one fish).
=== Ordinal numbers ===
For [[ordinal numbers]], when the numerals are preceded by the prefix {{gs|te|第}} (also seen as {{x|tøe}}):
; {{x|te-1}} ({{x|tex'id}}), {{x|te-2}} ({{x|texji}}), {{x|te-3}} ({{x|texsvaf}}), {{x|te-4}}, {{x|te-5}}, ...
: first, second, third, ...


For numbers greater than ten, {{x|id}} and {{x|ji}} from the literary set are used in the lower positions. For example, 220 is ''nngxpahji'' and 1,100 is ''cidzheng'id''.
== Literary numbers ==
[[File:sorji (buun).mp3|thumb|none|literary: {{x|id}}, {{x|ji}}, {{x|safm}}, {{x|sux}}, {{x|gvor}}, {{x|liok}}, {{x|chid}}, {{x|pad}}, {{x|kiuo}}, {{x|sip}}]]


;{{tts|ji-zap-kao-taai chiaf}} :29 cars
{{HokkienLiteraryColloquial-Num}}
;{{tts|nngxpaq, nngxchiefn, nngxban}} :200, 2000, 20,000


===Literary===
=== Telephone digits ===
{{tts|0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.}}
[[File:3945068.mp3|thumb|none|telephone number: 3945068]]
Telephone digits are read using the literary system, with [[0]] read as ''khoxng''. The digits are grouped according to certain rules and [[tone sandhi]] is applied. For example, 3945068 is read: 394, 50, 68 (''samkiwsux, gvofkhoxng, liogpad''; ''safm-kiuo-sux, gvor-khoxng, liok-pad''; see ''[[Khax Tiexn'oe]]'').


Telephone digits are grouped according to certain rules and [[tone sandhi]] is applied.  
=== Date ===
The year is also read using the literary system. For example: 1998 is read: 19, 98-nii (''itkiuo, kiwpatnii''; see ''[[Jidkix Cidphvy]]'').


For example, {{tts|3945068}} is read: '''safm kiuo sux, gvor [[0|khoxng]], liok pad''' (see [[Khax Tiexn'oe]]).
== References ==
*[[Ordinal numbers]]: only "1st" and "2nd" use literary, the rest use colloquial
* [[Oong Iogteg]] (1972-3). 台湾語入門. Tōkyō
**;{{tts|texid, texji}} 第一, 第二: First, second
** ''[http://www.edutech.org.tw/Text-Book/T-Jibbuun.htm Taioaan-oe Jibmngg (MLT-parn)]'' Liim Keahioong hoan'ek (2000).
**;{{tts|texsvaf, texsix, texgo}} : Third, fourth, fifth, etc


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Latest revision as of 14:57, 22 June 2024

Sorji (數字 Hokkien numerals; numbers in Taiwanese) come in two different sets:

  • colloquial (peh): used the most
  • literary (buun): mostly for telephone numbers and dates

In normal speech, a mix of both types is used. Let's start with colloquial.

Colloquial numbers

(bøo), cit, nng, svaf, six, go, lak, chid, pøeq, kao, zap

Cardinal numbers

To count "how many", "cardinal numbers" are used. Use the colloquial system (cit, nng, svaf) together with a classifier (the classifier will change tone when spoken). For example, from Cidbøea Hii:

cidbøea hii, nngxciaq køef, svazaang chiu'ar, ...
a tail of fish, a pair of chickens, three trees, ...

Zap is 10. From 11, use id and ji, instead of cit & nng, in the ones place. For example:

zab'id-bøea (11-bøea), zabji-ciaq (12-ciaq), zabsvaf-zaang (13-zaang), ...

Jixzap is 20.

jixzab'id-bøea (21-bøea), jixzabji-ciaq (22-ciaq), ...

Paq is 100. Count how many hundred with cit, nng, svaf. Khoxng (空† zero) is for the blank tens place. We omit the classifier below but don't forget to include it.

100 cidpaq, 101 cidpaq-khoxng-id, 102 cidpaq-khoxng-ji, ...
110 cidpaq-zap, 111 cidpaq-zab'id, 112 cidpaq-zabji, ...

There are shortcuts when the ones place is blank:

110 pah'id, 111 cidpaq-zab'id, 112 cidpaq-zabji, ...
120 pahji, 121 cidpaq-jixzap-id, 122 cidpaq-jixzap-ji, ...

As we said, the next hundreds place is counted with nng.

200 nngxpaq, 201 nngxpaq-khoxng-id, 202 nngxpaq-khoxng-ji, ...
210 nngxpaq-zap (nngxpaq-id?), 211 nngxpaq-zab'id, ...
220 nngxpaq-jixzap (nngxpaq-ji?)

Above 200, there's a shortcut using ar as a "weak form" of "hundred" (paq -> aq -> ar):

210 ji-ar-id, 211 nngxpaq-zab'id, ...
220 ji-ar-ji, 221 nngxpaq-jixzap-id, ...
510 goxafid, 520 goxafji, ... (here go has changed tone before "ar", violating a tone sandhi exception)

Zhefng is 1000:

1000 cidzhefng, 1001 cidzhefng-khoxng-id, ...
1100 zheng'id / cidzheng'id, 1101 cidzhefng-cidpaq-khoxng-id
1200 zhefng-ji, 1201 cidzhefng-nngxpaq-khoxng-id, ...
2000 nngxchiefn

Ban is 10000:

1,0000 cidban, 1,1000 cidbaxn'id, ..., 2,0000 nngxban, ...
10,000, 11,000, ..., 20,000
2,2000 jixban-ji, ..., 3,0300 svaban-svapaq, ...

Pahban (100,0000) is 1,000,000.

Ordinal numbers

For ordinal numbers, when the numerals are preceded by the prefix te (第) (also seen as tøe):

te-1 (tex'id), te-2 (texji), te-3 (texsvaf), te-4, te-5, ...
first, second, third, ...

Literary numbers

literary: id, ji, safm, sux, gvor, liok, chid, pad, kiuo, sip
1 2 3 / 三 4 / 四 5 / 五 6 / 六 7 / 七 8 / 八 9 / 九 10 / 十
Peh cit (蜀) nng (兩) svaf six go lak chid pøeq kao zap
Buun id (一) ji (二) safm sux gvor liok pad kiuo sip

Telephone digits

telephone number: 3945068

Telephone digits are read using the literary system, with 0 read as khoxng. The digits are grouped according to certain rules and tone sandhi is applied. For example, 3945068 is read: 394, 50, 68 (samkiwsux, gvofkhoxng, liogpad; safm-kiuo-sux, gvor-khoxng, liok-pad; see Khax Tiexn'oe).

Date

The year is also read using the literary system. For example: 1998 is read: 19, 98-nii (itkiuo, kiwpatnii; see Jidkix Cidphvy).

References

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